SLS61185 wrote:I, personally, am one that sprays Patch when he starts barking or whinning in his crate. If he's in there because he's in trouble and starts his barking sh*t, he gets sprayed with water, and the second he is quiet, he can come out. If he's in there because we're leaving, he's fine and doesn't make a sound....
The worst of it is when/if someone comes over and he can't act like he's got some damn sense, he goes in there.... and he barks like a freaking maniac... Then he gets sprayed. He knows when he sees the water bottle, we mean buisness.
And no, just because we spray him with water, doesn't mean he hates his crate, water or anything. He will voluntarily(?) go in there on his own to sleep if he feels like it.
I think it's just a personal preference. Everyone has a different way of doing things with their dogs... To each their own. And that's just my 2 cents.
TheRedQueen wrote:SLS61185 wrote:I, personally, am one that sprays Patch when he starts barking or whinning in his crate. If he's in there because he's in trouble and starts his barking sh*t, he gets sprayed with water, and the second he is quiet, he can come out. If he's in there because we're leaving, he's fine and doesn't make a sound....
The worst of it is when/if someone comes over and he can't act like he's got some damn sense, he goes in there.... and he barks like a freaking maniac... Then he gets sprayed. He knows when he sees the water bottle, we mean buisness.
And no, just because we spray him with water, doesn't mean he hates his crate, water or anything. He will voluntarily(?) go in there on his own to sleep if he feels like it.
I think it's just a personal preference. Everyone has a different way of doing things with their dogs... To each their own. And that's just my 2 cents.
I never said that EVERY dog would hate their crate if squirted with water in the crate. What I stated was that punishers *can* have unintended consequences...and listed some off the top of my head. Things that could happen. And I never said that punishers or water spray was a bad idea...if that works for you, that's great. I also said that some dogs might not find it an aversive...I know dogs that LOVE to be sprayed with water. So using a squirt bottle doesn't work as a punisher for those dogs.
The issue I have with using a punisher/aversive is that amount that it takes. A good aversive will stop that behavior right then and there. An ineffective punisher will suppress behavior for a time, but won't stop it completely. Too much is a bad thing, but too little doesn't work...so finding the right amount is difficult.
I mentioned the vanilla aversive before. Karen Pryor said that this is one aversive that she'll use. To keep the dogs out of the trash can, you spray the dog lightly in the face with a scented water when they're not expecting it...and then spray that all into your trash. The dog will associate the scent with the horrible water in the face surprise...and will stay out of the trash. Well, I chose Vanilla also, because I love the scent, and it was nice in my bathroom trashcan. Stupid me, I didn't think about the consequences. Score won't get in bed, snuggle or cuddle when I'm wearing my favorite lotions or perfumes...because, yup, you guessed it...vanilla scented. Not a major thing...but it sucks for me.
TheRedQueen wrote:I mentioned the vanilla aversive before. Karen Pryor said that this is one aversive that she'll use. To keep the dogs out of the trash can, you spray the dog lightly in the face with a scented water when they're not expecting it...and then spray that all into your trash. The dog will associate the scent with the horrible water in the face surprise...and will stay out of the trash. Well, I chose Vanilla also, because I love the scent, and it was nice in my bathroom trashcan. Stupid me, I didn't think about the consequences. Score won't get in bed, snuggle or cuddle when I'm wearing my favorite lotions or perfumes...because, yup, you guessed it...vanilla scented. Not a major thing...but it sucks for me.
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