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Postby pitbullmamaliz » January 13th, 2011, 7:16 pm

These dogs just blow my mind. Why don't we see dogs like this in the US? Is it their breeding program, or their training program? Or both? Either way, this is an outstanding video. Some crazy stuff though - dogs jumping onto decoys from above, and multiple dogs attacking one decoy.

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Postby furever_pit » January 13th, 2011, 8:18 pm

OMG, that is one of my favorite videos of ALL TIME. Some very very impressive stuff in there.
One of my favorite parts is where the dog is healing with his handler, the decoy comes out from hiding on the right side, RUNS OVER the dog and the dog still bites.

What you are seeing with the long sticks and the black bite suits is KNPV. The decoys with the jute on the lower half of their legs, as well as the muzzled object guard, are from Belgian Ring.

The breeding and training programs in Europe are quiet different from many of the programs here. Part of it is that the dog sports in general are more popular, so there are more clubs, more handlers, more dogs. Some bloodlines have stood the test of time and have been bred tightly and are producing very nice dogs consistently. The training is also quite different from what is normally discussed on this board and there is quite a bit of compulsion.

There are dogs from these bloodlines here in the US. You can purchase and import a KNPV dog and continue to use it in sport. But part of the problem is that once those dogs get here, people either don't have the experience to breed on the dog in such a way that maximizes its genetics, or maybe they are too interested in those stud fees.

There are some really nice dogs here in the US as well though. Bob and D'Jeckel are two dogs that I like a lot.

ETA: If people are interested I can send you a link to a big all breed working dog forum. It spans a ton of disciplines (protection sports, police k9s, therapy dogs, herding, etc) and has an international following. Some very experienced and successful trainers and handlers are on that board and there is a ton of information to be had.
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Postby TheRedQueen » January 13th, 2011, 11:18 pm

You'd have to have some really well built dogs to withstand that sort of physical twisting/flying/etc sheesh.
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Postby pitbullmamaliz » January 14th, 2011, 8:05 am

Yeah, some of their landings made me cringe, especially the one who missed the decoy's arm and flipped mid-air like 3 times.
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Postby SisMorphine » January 14th, 2011, 10:29 am

I can't stand that video. LOL! Though some of the dogs are really nice, and some of the decoys are really good, there are more than a handful of catches that always make me cringe. And I HATE that they randomly put the muzzled hyenas in there. I mean seriously. WTF?!

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Postby DemoDick » January 14th, 2011, 11:05 am

TheRedQueen wrote:You'd have to have some really well built dogs to withstand that sort of physical twisting/flying/etc sheesh.


Yeah, that's very true. A lot of the Euro bred herders are flat-out built like tanks for that reason. In particular, KNPV decoys don't do "soft catches" like in a lot of other sports, and it is still very much a breed suitability test, as opposed to a sport. By necessity, the dogs are much more durable than you tend to see elsewhere. The Dutch dogs and their lines tend to have heavy, dense bone structure and thick musculature, and somehow still retain a lot of the explosiveness and agility you typically see with lighter Ring-type dogs. I understand why decoys have moved to soft catches, but the result is a softer dog.

A lot of the herders here, probably most really, are bred to the point of overspecialization, in my opinion. I really like Cheryl's dogs for that reason. In profile her Dutchies look very much like GSD's, and not the wispy, reedy dogs that I see so many other places. Her Mals are big and strong too, and I've never seen one who had the crackhead-on-meth-with-OCD tendencies that make them all but useless for anything but spinning in a crate and being escape-trained into an obendience/bitework routine. A lot of the high scoring Mals and Dutchies here would promptly be *broken* in a KNPV-style training program.

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