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Postby pitbullmamaliz » September 10th, 2011, 8:52 am

Over on another forum that I like to lurk at for the drama and craziness, they get really offended if people with un-pedigreed/papered dogs refer to their dogs as pit bulls, or AmStaffs, or APBT's or whatever as opposed to a "pit mix" or "pit bull type dog" or "mutt." They feel that even if your dog looks purebred, no matter the breed, if it's not papered it should be referred to as a mutt or mix. I disagree with that - if somebody adopts a dog that looks like a purebred GSD or Lab or whatever from a shelter, then let them say "it's a Lab/GSD/whatever." I tell people Inara is a pit bull or APBT because, well, she looks like one and acts like one and came from a ghetto fight ring.

So what do you guys think - if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, is it a duck? Or is it a duck mix because it doesn't have papers?
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Postby plebayo » September 10th, 2011, 10:11 am

The only thing that chaps me is when a person has an unpapered dog and refers to it as an American bulldog or American staffordshire terrier because IMO onless it has papers saying otherwise it is a pit bull. And really it only irks me because most people claiming these breeds are just trying to fool people into thinking their dog is something other than a pit bull. I do think if it looks like a pit it's a pit but when people start claiming less common breeds I just look the other way. That's like I had a neighbor with a springer mix trying to claim the dog was a munsterlander - the breed is super rare. She never had the dog inspected by a breed judge or anything and would brag about this dog even though it had no papers to prove it's breed. For the most part I think a spade is a spade but it irks me when people think their dog is something it isn't.
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Postby iluvk9 » September 10th, 2011, 11:16 am

pitbullmamaliz wrote:Over on another forum that I like to lurk at for the drama and craziness....

First, this made me laugh out loud. 8)

As for your question, I don't get over excited when owners HAVE to mention their "purebreds with papers" even after owning a papered Dobie (Russel Stover) and of course, my Golden, Lenny.

I wouldn't want someone to outright LIE, as Suzanne mentioned someone did. I find it sad they need an ego boost from the dog they own.
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Postby Malli » September 10th, 2011, 2:33 pm

I call Os an AmBull cross because it has become apparent to me that he is that. I used to call him a Pit Bull because he does look very Pit Bully, but the length of all of his limbs and body, and his weight, and more education on my part tell me he isn't just a Pit Bull.

I consider it a reference to a dog's general appearence :|
If the dog is an actual purebred, I use the proper breed name, "American Staffordshire Terrier", "American Pit Bull Terrier", etc

It doesn't honestly bother me either way, unless someone is totally off on what they are calling their dog, that gets me.
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Postby call2arms » September 10th, 2011, 5:20 pm

Well, they seem to be getting their panties in a bunch for nothing. I mean, are THEIR papers good papers, fake papers, papers from a useless association that could make me a purebred poodle if I sent in a form? Papers are what they are, a piece of tree pulp, and some dogs are more "their breed" than some that have them.

On the other hand I always cringe when people come in with their Grand-Doodle (yes, a great dane, poodle mix) and I always correct them, "You mean, a X and X cross"? in a candid way (that is, if I can figure out what it is from the dog's look).
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Postby DogsRPeople » September 10th, 2011, 10:58 pm

Hmmm,

I call Lily a American Staffordshire Terrier, as thats what her "Papers" from Lollypop said she was! haha

The other day at the vet's a little old lady was looking at her outside. She started to approach us, and asked me what kind of dog she was. Well, for fear of the "OH NO: I said, "American Staffordshire Terrier".
She said, "a what?" So, then I said, "Pitbull!" She said, "oh she's adorable", and came up with he hand out for Lilly to sniff. She said, what a beautiful dog, and patted her on the head.

You never know! :|

Anyways, I'm not a firm believer of the- If it looks like a Pit it's a Pit. Thats BSL talk.

All of these look like pit- http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

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Postby TheRedQueen » September 10th, 2011, 11:05 pm

I don't honestly give a crap what anyone calls their dog...I might scowl or laugh behind their backs, but I don't *care*.

UNLESS...you are passing the dog off to earn special points somewhere. We just had this debate in the flyball community...where breed rankings are posted on the website. The Wiener is the #4 miniature smooth-coated dachshund in NAFA...I like to brag on that.

But if your dog is NOT REALLY A DACHSHUND, don't register him/her as such...because it's just not cool.

My basset hound (long passed), is still ranked as the #4 basset hound in NAFA. The top dog? A basset/lab mix. The owner bragged to me that he was a mix...sent me pics, he's got a lab head, but shorter legs. and he's all black. Not a basset!
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Postby Tubular Toby » September 11th, 2011, 1:26 pm

TheRedQueen wrote:The Wiener is the #4 miniature smooth-coated dachshund in NAFA...I like to brag on that


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Postby Malli » September 11th, 2011, 9:19 pm

Tubular Toby wrote:
TheRedQueen wrote:The Wiener is the #4 miniature smooth-coated dachshund in NAFA...I like to brag on that


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Postby copperlegend » September 12th, 2011, 11:40 am

Kia's a pit bull. Nadia's a pit mix. Even though Nadia could totally pass for a non-pit mix, I want people to realize that good dogs can be pit bulls and vice versa.
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Postby mnp13 » September 12th, 2011, 11:12 pm

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Even when they have "papers" it doesn't mean shit. This dog is clearly a DDB mix, but its papers say APBT, so we're supposed to believe it? Not hardly.

Riggs is from one of the original lines registered in the AKC, Tacoma. He's about as papered as an Am Staff can be. Connor is pure dumpster, but I don't doubt for one minute he's any less of a pure bred APBT than Riggs.
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Postby pitsnok » September 16th, 2011, 2:44 am

That also drives me crazy! I think once on ... a dramatic place... I thought I was making a good point my saying "If only registered, proven APBTs 'count'...then we should discount anything almost everyone in this community." but no one ever responded to me, or at least I don't think so.

I get REALLY confused when people make such statements about breed specifics, and then want to talk BSL and responsible ownership... I can't help thinking, "OHHH, so my dogs only get included whenever someone wants to ban them, but when it comes to everything else they're just mutts ?" I mean yes, they are technically mutts; I have no idea what their heritages consist of or where they came from...but I'm quite certain they qualify as 'pit bulls'. (The only one I really ever try to clarify on is that we think Boss could be a bulldog mix of some kind, but still...same thing.)


I'm with everyone else though... if the dog is a 'purebred' (or I guess papered), it's an APBT, Amstaff, Staffy, Ambully...if it's like the majority of the dogs (I have come across online and in person) it's a pit bull.
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Postby TheRedQueen » September 16th, 2011, 8:42 am

copperlegend wrote:Kia's a pit bull. Nadia's a pit mix. Even though Nadia could totally pass for a non-pit mix, I want people to realize that good dogs can be pit bulls and vice versa.


This is why I always tell people that Score and Puzzle are pit mixes...I have no idea honestly, but Score looks enough like the *known* pit/lab mixes that I've seen, and Puzzle looks enough like a pit mix...because they're both well behaved and gentle, I refer to them as pit mixes. People don't know what a pit bull is anyway...so why not push some good dogs in their faces and label them pit mixes?
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Postby furever_pit » September 16th, 2011, 10:16 am

I don't really care what people call their dogs, papered or not.

I don't get why it is a big deal for someone to call their dog something other than a Pit Bull, even if that is what it is. To people I meet out and about, Dylan is a Pit Bull mix. That is not how I register him with the county or AC licensing however. It makes me feel a little bit better that if something comes down the pike as far as BSL or something that maybe they will drag their feet a little bit coming to my door.

Papers don't make the dog and they never will. A pedigree is nothing except a prediction of what a dog SHOULD be. And puppies/dogs are still a big crapshoot. I would take an unpapered, unregistered hell of a dog over a mediocre pedigreed dog any day of the week.
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