On January 23 2008, 12:06 PM, pitacc wrote:Instead of a prong collar, what can you use for a very small dog with a delicate neck and a bad attitude?
What kind of dog? How old? and do you already practice NILIF (Nothing in life is free) with the dog?
On January 23 2008, 12:06 PM, pitacc wrote:Instead of a prong collar, what can you use for a very small dog with a delicate neck and a bad attitude?
On January 23 2008, 4:00 PM, pitbullmamaliz wrote:I believe it's a terrier/chihuahua mix (if you look in her intro, there's a pic of the dog lying next to Mick).
On January 23 2008, 4:50 PM, pitbullmamaliz wrote:Would a micro prong be appropriate? It shouldn't damage the neck as it's not like you'll be yanking it...
On January 23 2008, 5:15 PM, pitacc wrote:Thank you, I didn't know they make them that small.
And Pita listens to my Mom and never barks at her, she just does it at home. That's how she got her name.
BritneyP wrote:For pet-type obedience, or even for Agility and things of that nature, you can probably get by with luring and free-shaping and strictly +R, but with dogs that do bitework, there is typically nothing more desireable for them and their drives can be so over the top that the amount of control and tolerance your dog needs to possess, simply cannot be acheived without compulsion.
BullyLady wrote:BritneyP wrote:For pet-type obedience, or even for Agility and things of that nature, you can probably get by with luring and free-shaping and strictly +R, but with dogs that do bitework, there is typically nothing more desireable for them and their drives can be so over the top that the amount of control and tolerance your dog needs to possess, simply cannot be acheived without compulsion.
I'm not sure I quite agree with that. My puppy has an almost alarming amount of energy and she is an extremely confident dog. What this means is that when we are out in public, like at training class, she is so busy saying hello to everyone and sniffing around that she literally CANNOT focus without some compulsion.
I don't like using compulsion on a dog her age, but quite honestly we didn't have any other choice. I think the key is just to not overdo the corrections, especially when introducing new commands or distractions.
BritneyP wrote:BullyLady wrote:I'm not sure I quite agree with that. My puppy has an almost alarming amount of energy and she is an extremely confident dog. What this means is that when we are out in public, like at training class, she is so busy saying hello to everyone and sniffing around that she literally CANNOT focus without some compulsion.
I don't like using compulsion on a dog her age, but quite honestly we didn't have any other choice. I think the key is just to not overdo the corrections, especially when introducing new commands or distractions.
Hmm.. maybe I came off wrong because I don't see where we disagree here?
I would classify your pup's behavior as a form of "play drive" and especially being a bully-type dog, she's going to have drive in one form or another. I don't use ANY compulsion in my dog's obedience until they are somewhere around a year old, and depending upon the individual dog, sometimes even longer. My GSD Cruiser, is 17 months old and has basically yet to see any form on compulsion because he is a relatively "soft" dog and VERY slow to mature mentally, and it would still squash his drive at this point. However, I have a 7 month old Malinois puppy, that could probably stand to start receiving some minor corrections because he is very confident and will easily tolerate them. It's all about the dog as an individual.
BullyLady wrote:
Okay I see what you are saying. I thought you meant that pet dogs should only be taught using positive reinforcement. My dogs are surely pet dogs and we would never get anywhere with just positive reinforcement! I did have to start my pup with corrections really really young and I was a little concerned about it but it hasn't affected her drive and has allowed us to get somewhere with her obedience training.
katiek0417 wrote:
Britney, I've seen some competition level obedience taught with no compulsion...using a clicker...
katiek0417 wrote:...it really depends on the dog, and what the handler is looking for.
BritneyP wrote:katiek0417 wrote:
Britney, I've seen some competition level obedience taught with no compulsion...using a clicker...
Bitesport OB? In turn, how strong was the protection work? I'm definately intrigued. The only example I have, is a Sch3 GSD trained entirely by "Purely Positive" methods. However, SchH isn't really my cup of tea and I'd be more impressed if it was a KNPV dog or a Mondio dog.katiek0417 wrote:...it really depends on the dog, and what the handler is looking for.
I think THAT is absolutely key.
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