katiek0417 wrote:Don't get me wrong, Jody...Fred Hassen (owner of SMS) is a very nice guy, and friend of Greg's. However, I have seen dogs that associates of his (he franchises out) have trained...and I haven't liked what I've seen...This isn't true for all of his franchisees...but some...
There are ways to train a dog with an e-collar. I've seen it done, I've seen the dogs very happy, and I've seen the dogs work beautifully even without the collar...but I think that's the exception rather than the norm, and you need to be wary of who is doing it.
Unfortunately, some (NOT ALL) of SMS franchises are not as adept with the methods as you would like to see...
plebayo wrote:What exactly is an e-collar? When I googled SMS I found quite a few negative reviews on the method of training and someone said it was a shock collar. Is that so?
Personally I don't mind using a shock collar to curb a problem, IE: one of my dogs is a chicken killer and with the use of a shock collar she no longer has any desire to even look at a chicken, or go in the pen. But I don't like the idea of zapping a dog to make them perform basic commands...
pitbullmamaliz wrote:Because when you're trying to extinguish a behavior like that you are going to use a much higher level. When teaching obedience (at least the way I was taught), you are using it a crazy low level (I couldn't even feel it on the level Inara was using it on) and my trainer likened it to a tap on the shoulder - "hey, I'm talking to you, pay attention to me." When I was working with that trainer Inara was happy - head and ears up, tail/butt wagging, prancing around, etc. My trainer said the best way to find the level to train obedience on is to start at level 1 (again, my collar has 127 levels) and go up one level at a time until your dog blinks, or twitches an ear or looks around like, "hey, what was that?"
Trust me, I used to be so anti e-collar, but now I think that in the right hands they are fantastic training tools. I only stopped using mine because I wasn't comfortable using it without frequent trainer assistance, but my e-collar trainer lives a state away.
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TheRedQueen wrote:pitbullmamaliz wrote:Because when you're trying to extinguish a behavior like that you are going to use a much higher level. When teaching obedience (at least the way I was taught), you are using it a crazy low level (I couldn't even feel it on the level Inara was using it on) and my trainer likened it to a tap on the shoulder - "hey, I'm talking to you, pay attention to me." When I was working with that trainer Inara was happy - head and ears up, tail/butt wagging, prancing around, etc. My trainer said the best way to find the level to train obedience on is to start at level 1 (again, my collar has 127 levels) and go up one level at a time until your dog blinks, or twitches an ear or looks around like, "hey, what was that?"
Trust me, I used to be so anti e-collar, but now I think that in the right hands they are fantastic training tools. I only stopped using mine because I wasn't comfortable using it without frequent trainer assistance, but my e-collar trainer lives a state away.
Okay, I'm not trying to start an argument...but this just seems like the same method, just a lower level on the collar. I understand how you're using the collars for both things...but Katrina mentioned that the methods are very different. You're using an aversive for both, you're trying to get rid of a behavior. I'm still curious how they're very different.
TheRedQueen wrote:Okay, I'm not trying to start an argument...but this just seems like the same method, just a lower level on the collar. I understand how you're using the collars for both things...but Katrina mentioned that the methods are very different. You're using an aversive for both, you're trying to get rid of a behavior. I'm still curious how they're very different.
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